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Not trying to break any rules by linking YouTubes...lol...which I still don't understand...anyhow...here's an interesting idea...I just ran across this messin' around on YouTube and thought of discussions on FHO between classical playing and other type playing...in this case she's saying BG, but could be anything...like Maiden's Prayer, etc. youtube.com/shorts/VzcYF2INBWk...wzu7X9rNm
Or...just in keeping with the tune in mind...Pachelbel's Canon in D, here's an idea this really brilliant guy came up with using his looping machine (someday I hope to get me one of those things!) and his kitty cat...
youtu.be/r7WI4A8N8dA?si=sPeuBGizf2vpueCO
...and it just makes me think of the many discussions where it boils down to "ownership" of the music...is it ok for a classical player to take possession of a folk tune, or is it ok for a folk musician to take possession of a classical tune? Is it ok for a northerner to take possession of a southerner tune, and the other way around. Take possession isn't a great way to say it; maybe "share" would be a better term. Is it ok to share you ideas on some old timer's tune from your own perspective...or for that matter, is it ok to be yourself, play your way, and enjoy doing that...or do we have to be persnickety about every little thing? Just thinkin'...I can still sorta do that...lol...although not much. Still trying to recover from hitting the wall hard...knowing if I could play music it would help me, but I can't at the moment. But I can still think about it sometimes. So whatcha'll think? Should music have ownership? I ain't talking about legalities, I.e. copyright or whatever...I mean just artistic license.
I think it was W.C. Handy who came up with 'Shoeboot's Serenade', which was a Bluesy/rag-timey version of 'Schubert's Serenade' ... (or was it Fats Waller and a stride/Boogie version?) ......
Well, by golly, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ858REJBKA&list=RDoJ858REJBKA&start_radio=1
Edited by - Old Scratch on 06/27/2026 14:40:35
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggyNot trying to break any rules by linking YouTubes...lol...which I still don't understand...anyhow...here's an interesting idea...I just ran across this messin' around on YouTube and thought of discussions on FHO between classical playing and other type playing...in this case she's saying BG, but could be anything...like Maiden's Prayer, etc. youtube.com/shorts/VzcYF2INBWk...wzu7X9rNm
Or...just in keeping with the tune in mind...Pachelbel's Canon in D, here's an idea this really brilliant guy came up with using his looping machine (someday I hope to get me one of those things!) and his kitty cat...
youtu.be/r7WI4A8N8dA?si=sPeuBGizf2vpueCO
...and it just makes me think of the many discussions where it boils down to "ownership" of the music...is it ok for a classical player to take possession of a folk tune, or is it ok for a folk musician to take possession of a classical tune? Is it ok for a northerner to take possession of a southerner tune, and the other way around. Take possession isn't a great way to say it; maybe "share" would be a better term. Is it ok to share you ideas on some old timer's tune from your own perspective...or for that matter, is it ok to be yourself, play your way, and enjoy doing that...or do we have to be persnickety about every little thing? Just thinkin'...I can still sorta do that...lol...although not much. Still trying to recover from hitting the wall hard...knowing if I could play music it would help me, but I can't at the moment. But I can still think about it sometimes. So whatcha'll think? Should music have ownership? I ain't talking about legalities, I.e. copyright or whatever...I mean just artistic license.
Every time I hear that tune I think of The Streets of London by Ralph Mac Tell.
I've heard a songwriter say, I had to write it or someone else would. This speaks of a common and universal conscienceness. This encapsulates telepathy, remote viewing and all sorts of woowoo, as they call it. Nobody owns anything. If anything, we are stewards of things while we are living.
Once upon a time I was into creating things, professionally. My name is on a few patents. But so is my bosses name who had nothing to do with coming up with 'the thing.' And I only came up with it because it just seemed obvious to me.
I don't/can't write songs because I'm attached to other people's songs, as if they were my own. When you play music, it's almost like stepping inside the creators mind. I play weekly with a guy that's wrote over 300 songs. It's interesting. Writers write because they must. I play because I must. I've told folks, if you don't want me singing harmony, say so in advance, because it's going to happen.
Take care of yourself GHP.
To me, it's just like reading the dots for a folk tune (OT, BG, TRAD, etc.)
There's no room to indicate ALL the expressions, inflections, ornaments, there's just dots; so we interpret them in our own way.
Whats holding us back from doing the same with Pachelbel's canon or any other classical piece. I often fiddle around with I, V, VIm, IIIm, IV, I, IV, V; making up my own random variations, one day I will stick with one.
To me, music is just a physical law, so to speak, that humans can utilize to zero in on how deep and profound, and how beyond words our emotions run. It's just here, like gravity...it's here and everybody who feels compelled to play or sing should feel free to do so. The discouragement of, like...no you can't play that style/tune whatever, because you didn't grow up there...or you weren't trained or exposed to that so stay away from it, etc., that whole thing really seems flatout wrong to do to people who feel like playing or singing. I'm not saying everybody's pro level...and even sometimes getting to pro level could spoil it all...not in everybody of course, but I think some understanding and encouragement for people who just love music enough to feel compelled to make their own would be an awesome thing to see. I'm not talking about copyright, or legal, financial issues...that's a thing that also messes up the music, but yeah I get it that if you make a living with music it would be a part of your mindset. Hmmm...Mark Twain had something to say about similar stuff like that...lol. Seriously, if my first and only steady music gig (unpaid I should add, but at least I didn't have to wait 3 months between gigs at that point...lol) would have gone on to blossom into a career, I thought, back then, I would go for it. But being a person who is bored with financial affairs and hasn't been motivated by money, I might have failed on that account and so who knows. And of course maybe I wasn't good enough to become a professional. Maybe it would have ruined everything for me. But what I'm saying is I understand professionals of course necessarily have a separate mindset going on...in the horrible scenario of the combo of music and business being dependent on one another...lol. I get that. But it would be nice to see the banjos, fiddles, guitars, dulcimers etc. come out of the closets, get tuned up, and for people to find encouragement and get the courage to enjoy themselves by entering that age old hobby of back porch musicianship, jamming with friends, and maybe even a gig here and there for important occasions if you're lucky. I would love to see that again. Seems to me it's in the process of being snuffed out.
I aspire to world peace as well. The problem is the reality is that world peace has never existed on this planet, and the concept of world peace quite possibly could get even more abstract. Music is a strong form of communication on our emotional side. Unfortunately a lot of people try to impose their interpretation of music on others and dismiss the interpretation of others music. It’s a shame but it’s the reality. Sometimes we are guilty in our own little way too like it says in the bible, ‘He who is without sin cast the first stone’.
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