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May 12, 2026 - 7:48:24 AM
7081 posts since 8/7/2009

I learned this tune from a recording by Dirk Powell ("Hand Me Down") - great tune. But I've been kind of reluctant to play it out - I've never heard anyone else play it, and so - I figured it was a tune composed by Dirk. He has written a few other nice tunes.

But now I'm learning that it is a traditional tune from Kentucky and West Virginia. But there is no other recording available in the public - that I have found. Apparently Bruce Greene used to play it and did teach it at one time - but no digitized recordings online.

Apparently, it only shows up in a few Eastern Kentucky tune lists, West Virginia modal tune inventories, a few handwritten fiddlers’ notebooks, and collector notes from the 1970s–80s. No fiddler is given credit for the tune. The written version seems to show it to have been a slightly crooked tune, played in D. Dirk's version is not crooked, and he plays it in G.

No - none of this is that important... but I sure would love to know a bit more - and would really love to hear a recording of it played "crooked in D".

Can anyone add anything? ...has a recording? (never know until you ask)

May 12, 2026 - 11:56:49 AM

837 posts since 11/26/2013

Lets hear it bro

May 12, 2026 - 12:53:34 PM
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DaBru

USA

3 posts since 8/12/2009

This website had a very nice review of Dirk's album, Hand Me Down:

rambles.net/powell_hand.html

The review describes Leaning on a Wall as an original from Dirk.

May 12, 2026 - 1:05:02 PM

DougD

USA

12955 posts since 12/2/2007

Thanks for posting that review, Bill. Not just for answering Tony's question, but the thoughts at the beginning and the tone throughout may provide food for thought for others here.

May 12, 2026 - 5:16:01 PM

7081 posts since 8/7/2009

quote:
Originally posted by DaBru

This website had a very nice review of Dirk's album, Hand Me Down:

rambles.net/powell_hand.html

The review describes Leaning on a Wall as an original from Dirk.


excellent.  Something told me that what I was being lead to believe - wasn't true.  There is more evidence to make this claim than the other (in my mind). The other sounds "cool" but - "where's the beef?"  

Lesson learned:  I should have said:   "But now I'm being told that it is a traditional tune from Kentucky and West Virginia. But there is no other recording available in the public - that I have found. I'm also told that Bruce Greene used to play it and did teach it at one time - but no digitized recordings online."  

...and that is why I asked. 

thank you again!

Edited by - tonyelder on 05/12/2026 17:23:34

May 13, 2026 - 1:25:23 PM
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7081 posts since 8/7/2009

quote:
Originally posted by wrench13

Lets hear it bro


sorry.... here ya go:

Leaning On A Wall

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Edited by - tonyelder on 05/13/2026 14:14:26

May 13, 2026 - 3:55:07 PM

2935 posts since 8/27/2008

Good one! I might learn that.

May 14, 2026 - 9:44:29 AM

2935 posts since 8/27/2008

Dirk's version does seem crooked to me in The A part (you start with a different part). It also seems his E string is tuned down to D. It sounds like you play the open D below in your version. That's probably what I'll do if I learn it because I'm averse to cross-tunes.

May 14, 2026 - 10:12:47 AM

162 posts since 6/8/2020

There really is nothing like a cross-tuned fiddle. The way it rings and sounds so huge.

A nice tune and a new one to me. I like the melodic interplay between the fiddle and the banjo.

May 14, 2026 - 11:30:05 AM

2935 posts since 8/27/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Johnbow

There really is nothing like a cross-tuned fiddle. The way it rings and sounds so huge.

A nice tune and a new one to me. I like the melodic interplay between the fiddle and the banjo.


I don't disagree. Love that sound. I start to feel scattered or something if I use more that standard tuning. It's a shortcoming for sure. Maybe I should try to overcome it for this tune...

Edited by - Brian Wood on 05/14/2026 11:31:02

May 14, 2026 - 11:56:14 AM

2935 posts since 8/27/2008

On further listening I hear that both E and A strings are tuned down a step. So I guess that's called cross G or something. I'm tempted to try it. Tuning a couple of strings down sits with me better than tuning a couple up like in cross A. To further explain what's uncomfortable for me in cross tuning is that I tend to learn tunes by transcribing them into standard notation, then learning them from that. I don't know what options there are for transcribing cross tuned tunes. I'm guessing I should use standard notation and make the translations in my head.

...if I do it.

May 14, 2026 - 12:01:56 PM

162 posts since 6/8/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Wood
quote:
Originally posted by Johnbow

There really is nothing like a cross-tuned fiddle. The way it rings and sounds so huge.

A nice tune and a new one to me. I like the melodic interplay between the fiddle and the banjo.


I don't disagree. Love that sound. I start to feel scattered or something if I use more that standard tuning. It's a shortcoming for sure. Maybe I should try to overcome it for this tune...


I definitely think you should, if for no other reason than to change things up. I always feel freer when playing in cross tunings - I feel as though I can use a more physical approach.

I find that I tend to go through periods of either playing entirely in standard or cross. Things don't immediately feel quite right if I try to switch between them, say from tune to tune. A shortcoming of mine as well - among others.

May 14, 2026 - 12:17:19 PM

162 posts since 6/8/2020

My method is to listen with my fiddle in hand (sometimes without the bow), and begin to figure out the melody. I’m not writing anything down, just memorizing as I go - there’s no translation from standard necessary. I would imagine this is how most go about it.
 

Edited by - Johnbow on 05/14/2026 12:17:49

May 14, 2026 - 1:59:59 PM

7081 posts since 8/7/2009

I play it tuned in open G - GDgd / pretty sure that is how Dirk is playing it.  As most already knows - I don't play in standard. cool

Yes, I started with the B part (relative to Dirk's playing). I'm not sure why, but I posted the YT link - and then realized that perhaps the request was for me to play it.  Hmmmm,,,  so I used the voice recorder on my phone, picked up the fiddle I had out (wrong fiddle for this  - imo) and then started with the wrong phrase - without thinking about it until it was done.   laugh    A throw down.  I should have taken time to do it right, but I didn't, The pressure: but I had the post in edit mode and needed to get it recorded and posted before it timed out.  Anyway, could have been worse. blush

Bad on me.  The subtle slides are what appealed to me. I really like that sound when its done right.  I really like the tune. I'm going to start playing it out. Deserves to be shared. 

Edited by - tonyelder on 05/14/2026 14:14:59

May 15, 2026 - 6:45:05 AM
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162 posts since 6/8/2020

quote:
Originally posted by tonyelder

I play it tuned in open G - GDgd / pretty sure that is how Dirk is playing it.  As most already knows - I don't play in standard. cool

Yes, I started with the B part (relative to Dirk's playing). I'm not sure why, but I posted the YT link - and then realized that perhaps the request was for me to play it.  Hmmmm,,,  so I used the voice recorder on my phone, picked up the fiddle I had out (wrong fiddle for this  - imo) and then started with the wrong phrase - without thinking about it until it was done.   laugh    A throw down.  I should have taken time to do it right, but I didn't, The pressure: but I had the post in edit mode and needed to get it recorded and posted before it timed out.  Anyway, could have been worse. blush

Bad on me.  The subtle slides are what appealed to me. I really like that sound when its done right.  I really like the tune. I'm going to start playing it out. Deserves to be shared. 


I think your recording has tons of energy and with lots of action in your bowing!

It's funny how we heap pressure on ourselves when recording privately using our cell phones. I've experienced it.

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